Tuesday, January 4, 2011 at 9:13 PM 7 comments

could environmemtalism be the next season of difficulty for the church?

by mark

I just happened to scan an article in the morning paper that was concerned with the environmental movment co-opting the moderate wing of the church , I don't know much about it, but I thought I would share this excerpt from a John MacArther radio cast and see what people think. The excerpt isnot about the environmental movement but it is about seasons of difficulty in the church

2 Timothy 3

Godlessness in the Last Days

 1But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5having the appearance of godliness, but

denying its power. Avoid such people. 6For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7always learning and never able to

arrive at a knowledge of the truth.

 

Times of difficulty could be as easily translated as eras of danger or seasons of danger. The following is an excerpt from John Macarthur’s radio program on 02/02/2009 explaining these seasons of danger which the Church has been subjected to. One interesting observation of these seasons of danger is that they seem to come but never really go, but stay embedded in the church long after their newness wears off.

 

1st season of danger : starting in the 4 century AD  Sacramentalism , started under emperor Constantine and was fully developed into the Roman Catholic system. Sacramentalism is salvation by automatic ritual. The church became a surrogate Christ and you connected to the church and its system, instead of having a personnel relationship with Christ. This institution became the instrument of persecution and execution of true believers

 

2cnd. season of danger: Rationalism, spawned in the Great Enlightenment and Industrial Age. Rationalists assaulted Scripture, denied its miracles, and denied its inspiration, and denied the deity of Christ and the Gospel of Grace in the name of Scholarship and human reason, it destroyed every seminary in Europe.

The mind of man became god for the rationalist.

 

3rd season of danger was the dead Orthodoxy of the 19th century. The lack of zeal and spirituality that was apparent in the church.

 

4th season of danger was Politicism: the Church became preoccupied with political power. The social gospel was developed, Reconstruction theology and Liberation theology were born out of this era.

 

5th season of danger  Ecumenism of the 1950’s : Dogma and Doctrine were set aside for the sake of unity.The call was to set aside doctrinal issues and sentimentality became the issue of the day.

A new hermeneutic was developed for interpreting scripture called the Jesus ethic: they determined Jesus was a nice guy and would never say anything mean spirited or hurtful so we will take all the judgement and retribution out of the Bible. They began to tolerate sin and disdain Doctrine. Their legacy was a lack of discernment.

 

6th season of danger was Experientialism in the 1960’s: the belief that truth comes from feelings, intuition, from visions , prophecies, or revelations. You know longer look to the objective word of God but you look to some subjective intuition to determine truth

 

.7th season of danger Subjectivism in the 1980;s: when psychology captured the church and people became concerned about becoming successful. We developed a man centered theology, a needs based theology, and personal comfort became the goal. 

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In essentials unity, in non essentails liberty, in all things charity ( Rupertus Meldenius cica 1627)  I believe we have been trying to hammer that out since 1627 anyway : it is the unity in the essentails that is always under attack and it seems that the group that moves away from the scriptures demands that their idea be accepted.

We are in agreement.  God first.   "[S]olid biblical foundations to establish and verify each decision we make in life."  Personal relationship with God. 

I am concerned that Ecumenism, Experientialism, and Subjectivism can lead people astray. 

Ecumenism:  Nothing wrong with "Unity without uniformity." However, I do not agree with taking judgment and retribution out of the Bible. 

Experientialism:  God reveals a great deal through personal experience.  However, a faith based solely on personal experience is exalting oneself not God.

I am not sure I have anything good to say about Subjectivism.

I understand, Mike.  And, by that I don't mean to sound patronizing...because, of course, I can't truly understand your personal experiences.  But, I think I understand the heart of your response.  I'm not from the UMC tradition.  I have no idea what is happening within it's ranks.  I was of the "fundamentalist" ilk growing up.  I no longer am.  Just one of the reasons is the cessationist theology.

The "religious" as well as secular political worlds are in an aweful decayed state.  That I also agree with.

For our part, my wife and I have chosen over the last few years to make our religion about a very personal relationship.  We, of course want solid biblical foundations to establish and verify each decision we make in life.  But, instead of the focus of our decision being what this or that "movements" flavor of the month club is touting and doing well or messing up, we are first on the journey of learning to seek love and serve the Living Relational Personal God with all our he hearts...and love and honor our neighbor as we do ourselves.

That may sound haugtily pios on the surface.  We mess up plenty in the learning journey, but the cry of our hearts and minds is, "more of YOU God."

No doubt that the church swings from one absurd extreme to another.  If the movements had not been so badly abused and resulted in so many unintended consequences, I might be more receptive.  Unfortunately, there are elements in the UMC that are creating some new feel good spiritual movement that is Christian in name only.  If they swing back to some rational center position, I may become more receptive to discussing the merits of these ideas.

The irony is that I have been a critic of fundamentalists for most of my life.  I grew up a Southern Baptist.  There is a reason I left and have since joined a Methodist church.  That is a result of a conscious decision by my wife and I.  However as I watch what is happening in the UMC and American society as a whole, I have decided that it is better to error on the side of being too conservative.  Some of the dogma getting pushed is just plain absurd and defies scripture, tradition, and reason.  It is destroying the church, and it is destroying America.

A danger I personally feel we also face is the "Throwing Out The Baby With The Bath Water"
 

Some of the dangers are so blatant that there isn't much if any redeeming value.  However, some cited here have some truth at the core.  Ie:  God does give experiences through spiritual gifts.  Except that certainly can and has been abused.  Unity without uniformity is a truth.  The danger is man often defines that one through his own definitions of unity.  God does respond to people's needs...in fact at times appeals to them.  But, even Bill Hybels, "the father of the seeker friendly movement" has does some recanting of it's veracity. 

C.S. Lewis said, "Anybody can see and hack down a jungle.  It takes special people to irrigate a desert."   Paul instructed, "Hold fast to that which is good..."

That's my 2 cents worth.  Thanks.

Mark... if you don't mind... start up another post about environmentalism in the church.  I would like to discuss it seperately without distracting from MacArther's point above.

Wow.  He really nailed that one.  The conversations on this website have been a running debate about Ecumenisn, Experientialism, and Subjectivism.

The irony is that the UMC have embraced these to make us more appealling to the masses.  However, our membership has been in decline since 1968, while the demoninations that preached the Gospel have grown.